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be a real plural and sleep 14 hours a day

@sh - jump for each headmate you need 2h more sleep

12:24 AM

oh and 'active forcing' is basically just sitting by yourself doing nothing but thinking (booooooo) 'passive forcing' is doing stuff so you have stuff to think and talk about (interesting, based) passive > active don't ever do active

@sh - jump passive forcing sounds more active than active forcing

Luminesce: Passive forcing has always been used to refer to activities that don't require focusing on your tulpa, but may still vaguely involve them. To an actual tulpamancer, the difference should be pretty obvious, it's like a muscle you can feel. I can talk at my tulpas without really focusing on them (edited)

12:27 AM

If you think that makes "passive forcing" sound kind of pointless, then you're right

12:28 AM

Active forcing is how actual tulpa development occurs. Passive forcing is basically just "keeping them around", but unlikely to make any true progress

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

oh and 'active forcing' is basically just sitting by yourself doing nothing but thinking (booooooo) 'passive forcing' is doing stuff so you have stuff to think and talk about (interesting, based) passive > active don't ever do active

@sh - jump passive forcing sounds more active than active forcing

you're a good student

thank you, i do have ability to think

don't act surprised! most wouldn't understand it

most people wouldn't understand because they would overwalk it

I really felt like tulpas would be more publicly known about like lucid dreaming. I really wonder why because to me both are just as interesting wonder why some therapist hasnt gotten bored enough yet (edited)

Lucid dreaming is much more obscure than some people give it credit for, although it's certainly much more popular than tulpamancy many people view it as that thing from inception or a super rare even than a skill they can learn. There's many odd psychological things people just don't learn about I've discovered.

3:04 AM

If you want another good example a major chunk of people, atleast in the USA, think hypnosis is entirely a Hollywood thing and is otherwise fake, or if they do know it's real have a very warped view of it.

afaik hypnosis on the first try is just if ur really susceptible to suggestion right (edited)

3:04 AM

I imagine like a chat gbt ai

3:05 AM

could so easily make someone lose touch w reality, convince u ur in a simulation or something (edited)

3:05 AM

if ur only interacting with it

3:05 AM

its super interesting

3:05 AM

hypnotherapy is a thing too

3:06 AM

also I wonder how much it can truly effect the brain, you couldn't say like" feel love " the boundaries are super interesting

3:09 AM

3:09 AM

and yet no one ever talks about it

3:10 AM

id love to learn more, socially is more fun tho :) might save it for later (edited)

Dawn 🕯

If you want another good example a major chunk of people, atleast in the USA, think hypnosis is entirely a Hollywood thing and is otherwise fake, or if they do know it's real have a very warped view of it.

id love other examples!!!

Well the tulpamancy skill imposition is actually something entirely doable without tulpamancy but nobody really talks about it. The other (also community instead of academically made) name for it is prophantasia.

3:32 AM

Don't hear about that one basically ever

hahahhahaha

3:32 AM

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lasidihaidasd

my ideal is wanting to be able to control hallucinations, im spending most of my day forcing to get this tulpa going I figure if I can convince myself I can see a tulpa I can convince myself im in a dream home

me yday

3:33 AM

I wanna learn that sooo bad

3:34 AM

ofc its doable if ppl can hallucinate parts of tulpas

3:34 AM

I was so curious about this, been asking about no one else seemed to know about it

3:34 AM

id love resources on this if there are any

3:36 AM

hypnosis x this sounds like great training for it

3:38 AM

also you could fall into the trap of convincing yourself you do but dont

3:38 AM

seems there is a lot less about this online

3:45 AM

why not just believe ur tulpa can shapeshift ect

3:49 AM

was told by the tulpa community seek therapy

I have a couple resources

3:52 AM

One of my friends is very interested in the subject but has struggled with it and so has learned alot of tricks to make up for that, they also made a hypnosis file for imposition

feel free to dm me anything im super interested in all of it

Here, it might be a bit outdated but I sent a message to him so if there is a more up to date version I'll get it

VisualControlTrainingProgram_v0.2.2-1.rtf

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3:55 AM

Scratch that use this one instead

VisualControlTrainingProgram_v0.2.3.pdf

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3:58 AM

Also check out their hypnosis files which includes a visual imposition boost https://www.dropbox.com/sh/88g4g7ok1ta3q10/AABM6HjW1yEI7ejgQ6gCiFRGa?dl=0

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reading through it all now thx

Does anyone have any alternative words to tulpa? I know its not offensive(?) but I want to know if there are alternatives that wouldn't offend anyone to be safe/lh

headmate?

Yeah, but I mean like 'thought-forms' or things like that

Luminesce: Headmate is the most used these days (edited)

12:13 PM

Thoughtform is more of an umbrella term

12:14 PM

In my opinion there's no sense in trying to avoid offending people who are offended by the term tulpa, because their problem is generally with practicing non-traumagenic plurality in the first place, not what you call it (edited)

12:14 PM

(Anyone who thinks the term tulpa for tulpamancy is offensive because it's appropriation or something is just wrong on all accounts, so they can be ignored)

okay, thank you :)

For more explanation on why neither the term nor the practice of tulpamancy is "appropriating" anything, see my messages here: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1062000129328021534

12:19 PM

Or you could just take my word for it with the tl;dr: it's just not

thank you very much for this

Luminesce: tl;dr from a further part on a different thing (for those not bothering to read all that) - (edited)

12:24 PM

Tulpamancy was no more inspired by Dissociative Identity Disorder or Tibetan Buddhism than it was the simple concept of an imaginary friend. It is simply unrelated

12:26 PM

People like me have created "sentient imaginary friends" by total accident with zero outside influence for probably ever, but at least 13 years in my case and 40+ in some past members of the community's cases. It's just something the human mind is capable of doing, on purpose or not, traumagenic or not. Nobody "owns" the concept of having another person in your mind.

Does anyone have any alternative words to tulpa? I know its not offensive(?) but I want to know if there are alternatives that wouldn't offend anyone to be safe/lh

@spency - jump there is no term you could use that wouldn’t offend anyone really

Thats true djjednn

Reisen

People like me have created "sentient imaginary friends" by total accident with zero outside influence for probably ever, but at least 13 years in my case and 40+ in some past members of the community's cases. It's just something the human mind is capable of doing, on purpose or not, traumagenic or not. Nobody "owns" the concept of having another person in your mind.

Yeah I figured, I just was wondering if there was a more "neutral" term that didn't come from anything else at all yk? But yeah I guess it doesn't really matter that much

headmate would probably be the most neutral and least controversial

12:37 PM

of all the terms i know

Luminesce: Tulpa is really very neutral in terms of "controversy", there's nothing to it despite what some communities like to say (edited)

12:38 PM

And headmate is very neutral in terms of "used by tulpas, soulbonds, and other kinds of plurality alike" (edited)

hmm if some communities say something about it doesn’t mean it is controversial?

Luminesce: I don't acknowledge incorrect ideas as legitimate "controversy". (edited)

12:39 PM

To me something is controversial if it's actively up for debate whether one thing or another should be thought or might be the case

12:39 PM

Not if some people somewhere decided to be upset about a false problem because they have nothing better to do

12:40 PM

(Acknowledging that there's probably not too many people like that at the core of the problem though, and most are simply misinformed by those few people and truly think tulpamancy is actively appropriating an actual Buddhist practice or something)

12:42 PM

Frankly I'd be kind of uncomfortable with tulpamancy if it really drew upon Buddhist practices. But you can go ahead and read about the equivalent modern concept of emanation bodies and see for yourself if it sounds like tulpamancy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprul-pa (Sprul-pa is the term that got translated poorly into tulpa, but even it will redirect as an aliased page once you click the link)

it seems like sprul-pa is a tibetan term and tulpa is from theosophy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

Tulpa

Tulpa is a concept in Theosophy, mysticism, and the paranormal, of an object or being that is created through spiritual or mental powers. Modern practitioners, who call themselves "tulpamancers", use the term to refer to a type of willed imaginary friend which practitioners consider to be sentient and relatively independent.

Luminesce: I'm no expert, but the "tulpas" Alexandra David-Neel wrote about a hundred years ago seem to have been the preaching of a small sect of Buddhism (out of countlessly many) that doesn't seem to be practiced anymore, at least as far as mainstream Buddhism goes (edited)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

it seems like sprul-pa is a tibetan term and tulpa is from theosophy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa

The earliest stuff is talking about "thoughtforms", Alexandra David-Neel is the one who translated the term sprul-pa creating the term tulpa (edited)

12:50 PM

That word did not exist before that, and while it did get used here and there in metaphysical circles over the next hundred years, tulpamancy kind of just took the metaphysically-used term tulpa and used it for the later-turned more scientific community for the psychological phenomenon (edited)

so i looked into it a bit since I had some experience with problems that translators have when trying to write a word from different language in their own writing system phonetically

1:08 PM

it’s not that it was mistranslated, it’s about phonetics

1:08 PM

you say the correct translation is sprul-pa, but how do you pronounce that? It might be the same pronouncation

I made multiple tulpas without any knowledge of tulpamancy. So for anyone to think this is anything but a function in the brain and that one group can claim it is complete and utter bullshit. It’s like trying to claim an inner dialogue belongs to one group.

for example, in Chinese the words get written in different ways all the time, but are pronounced the same

1:09 PM

i looked into phonetic writing of སྤྲུལ་པ, which is what was used for “tulpa”

1:10 PM

in IPA, International Phonetic Alphabet (the most reliable alphabet to use when talking about pronouncation) that word is /ʈ͡ʂyː˥˥.pə˥˥/

1:11 PM

you can paste it in http://ipa-reader.xyz/ and see how it is pronounced @Reisen

IPA Reader

Read IPA notation

1:12 PM

there is no way you could write it down using latin alphabet to make sure everyone reading it would pronounce it correctly, but “tulpa” is definitely one of the ways it could be written down and it’s not a mistake, just limitations of latin alphabet

Rusty

I made multiple tulpas without any knowledge of tulpamancy. So for anyone to think this is anything but a function in the brain and that one group can claim it is complete and utter bullshit. It’s like trying to claim an inner dialogue belongs to one group.

yeah same hsjdfhjfdhj

it’s definitely not pronounced in the way you would read “sprul-pa” as an American

1:16 PM

sometimes standards of writing change over time, and in some cases a group of letters are combined to not read those letters separately, but to indicate a sound together

1:17 PM

i would assume that “spr” in “sprul-pa” is an indication for ʈ͡ʂy

1:18 PM

which depending on the standard you use could be written in different ways, like for example “t”

Honestly we have several “stolen” words anyway.

good video explaining why tibetan spelling is hard and how it differs from pronounciation https://youtu.be/btn0-Vce5ug feel free to skip to 3:00

NativLang

The Hardest Language To Spell

2:33 PM

it seems to me the translator just tried to write srul-pa phonetically using latin letters so everyone that sees the word approximately knows how to pronounce it

We appropriated, in the actual "harmful" definition of intentionally changing the definition of something, from the occult types. Nobody cares about that because we're all in the same bundle of westerners. They in turn, are the biggest culture thiefs on the planet. Is it even remotely mysterious, sacred, and foreign? Congrats, it's now part of the history of the world told in terms of spirit energy and space aliens and someone out there is trying to worship it as a god in the astral plane.

Rusty

Also seporating negative parts of yourself and giving it attention alike from a tulpa will result in that part of yourself feeling 'stronger' and less 'in control' and may increase negative instrusive thoughts

oh...it happened anyway

3:19 PM

i didn't do it on purpose

3:20 PM

these negative parts of me were getting so strong that a split happened

3:20 PM

i dont really regret it....

3:21 PM

i thought the thing was going to be pure evil because it was made of extreme negative feelings...

3:22 PM

instead it became a version of me who acts like a animal and has black eyes and a bunch of arms...except it isnt really evil it cuddles with my tulpas

3:28 PM

and now i feel way more relaxed instead of thinking bad things